When I was graduated from poly in the 90s . Jobs was pretty scarce after the Asia crisis . I end up working for a company with 90% Malay workers . I am assigned to be a supervisor for a group of Malay after few months of ojt . Working at that era was so much fun. I was assigned a foreman let's name him M . M have a very deep eye socket and sometime wear some sort of stone which looks a bit eerie . We wasn't close initially. So most of the time is about works and it's after we have some night projects I started to get to know more about him . Only I find out why my whole company scare of my foreman because he used to do black magic but for the good things like prevent haunting , help curing some sickness , also fighting gong Tau . I don't believe 100% as I believe in karma and if you are strong spiritually nothing can affect you . I was having interesting conversation with him for sometime after I found out . I always ask cock and bull questions during our night shift and he share some interesting stories how he chase away ghost in our office . Why people scare of him . How he disturb girls with his magic etc. I as a Chinese always love $$$ . I ask him can the spirit give 4d , toto ? I think all people sure ask one . I just ask for the people only . He tell me if can, he already buy big big liao. What for goes work . Because the master he follow only have the practices for spirit on these and these are the limit for him. However he has also told me . He has since send the spirit back to his master with the arrival of his 2nd or 3rd kid . He told me he can't afford the side effects "karma" later even he use it for good stuffs . Because of the language barrier I can't understand him sometimes. He was saying the spirit begin to ask for pig blood or something along that line was the last straw that makes him worried and make him returned to the master asap. He has since become a devoted Muslim and stay away from occult practice.